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A conversation with Prime Minister Justin Trudeau of Canada and an OpenAI whistleblower speaks| GuyWhoKnowsThings

This week we organize a cultural exchange. Kevin and Casey show off their Canadian paraphernalia to Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, and he shows her what he's doing to position Canada as a leader in AI. Then, OpenAI whistleblower Daniel Kokotajlo speaks in one of his first public interviews about why he took the risk. nearly $2 million in capital to warn against what he calls the reckless culture within that company.


  • Justin Trudeau, Prime Minister of Canada

  • Daniel Kokotajlo, a former researcher at OpenAI's governance division

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“Hard Fork” is hosted by Kevin Roose and Casey Newton and produced by Whitney Jones and Raquel Cohn. The program is edited by just support. Engineering by Alicia Moxley and original music Daniel Powell, marion lozano, Diana Wong and Pat McCusker.

Special thanks to Paula Szuchman, Pui-Wing Tam, Nell Gallogly, Kate LoPresti and Jeffrey Miranda.

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